• Stage 3 email from Gamestation, settlement is near

    I have just received the following email from Gamestation regarding a partial refund under EU law over Sony Firmware version 3.21 and OtherOS removal:

    Hello Gregory

    Thank you for your email.

    We are currently investigating your query further and would like the opportunity to contact you via phone to discuss this further once we are in a position to do so.

    We would kindly ask that you provide a contact number as well as a proof of purchase for your console. Once this has been received a member of staff will be in touch when possible.

    To send us your proof of purchase either attach it to an email as a jpeg, or as part of a word file. Alternatively you can fax it to us on 01256 784226, or you can post it to us here:

    Customer Services
    Gamestation
    Unity House
    Telford Road
    Basingstoke
    Hampshire
    RG21 6YJ

    If posting this to us please include a covering letter with your details. We look forward to hearing from you.

    Regards,

    Lucy M

    Gamestation

    For those of you in the know, this is the last stage their parent company GAME UK takes before issuing refunds.

    Beginning the process of finding the receipt, although strictly according to the UK SOGA it is not necessary – their own systems will have the sale registered.

    If you have been affected by this situation do not lose heart, and definitely do not take no for their final answer.

    Even the age of the console is not an issue – “reasonable time” is what you think is reasonable, not just what the seller thinks is reasonable.

    Just think back to all the comedy sketches about the guarantees lasting until you leave the shop, the Sale of Goods Act (SOGA) is in place to protect the consumer.



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  • Another “people are getting paid for OtherOS removal” post

    According to http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?39886-UK-retailer-GAME-offers-PS3-OtherOS-refund-then-tries-to-bribe-customer-to-remain-silent customers of Game (the parent company of Gamestation) is paying customers who push further than the standard “not our problem, talk to Sony” emails and are showing knowledge of the UK Sale of Goods Act.

    It is looking more than promising.

    Sony is already facing a class action lawsuit in the States for the OtherOS removal, and I don’t think that this move will make them popular with retailers in the UK either.



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  • Update on Gamestation liability for OtherOS removal

    I just received the following reply to an email made to Gamestation UK regarding Sony Playstation 3 OtherOS removal in firmware version 3.21:

    Hello Gregory
    Thank you for your email.

    Thanks for your email, may I at the outset apologise for the delayed response. We are currently receiving a high number of emails and we are working to respond as quickly as possible.

    I can confirm that Gamestation are not in a position to offer a refund for your PS3 console.

    Upon setup of your PS3 console you would have agreed to a set of Terms and conditions, it is in these Terms and Conditions that Sony did make provisions to effect an upgrade that could cause a loss of functionality. If you refer to Paragraph 10 of the Playstation Network Terms of Service and User agreement you will be able to see the full details.

    It is consumer choice when it comes to accepting updates, if you choose not to update your console then Gamestation cannot be held responsible for loss of functionality.

    You may wish to contact Sony, 08447 360 595 with regards to this issue who may be able to assist you further on this occasion.

    Regards,

    Katy
    Gamestation

    I replied to this email with the following:

    Thank you for responding to my enquiry.

    Please allow me to reply and restate my case.

    As the retailer I purchased the console from it is your duty in law to abide by all rules and regulations dictated.

    Your company is clearly violating EU law Directive 1999/44/EC, as previously stated.

    My purchase was from your Company, not Sony Entertainment, which makes you as the retailer liable.

    Please take the time to reread the Directive text quoted below and I will break it down afterwards to show your stance is incorrect:
    “The goods must:
    comply with the description given by the seller[1] and posses the same qualities and characteristics as other similar goods
    be fit for the purpose which the consumer requires them[2] and which was made known to the seller at the time of purchase[3].”
    [1] Your Company is the seller, not Sony Entertainment
    [2] I required the use of OtherOS and the ability to play legitimately purchased games
    [3] I was told by your Sales Representative instore that I could do both of the above with the console I purchased

    Upon Sony removing the OtherOS functionality the product became no longer fit for purpose under [2] as shown above
    Upon Sony removing the OtherOS functionality the product was no longer as described by the Seller at the time of the purchase under [3] as shown above

    Please take the time to reconsider your position and my request, noting that other Companies in the same position as yourselves are already issuing partial refunds to comply with the aforementioned EU law Directive 1999/44/EC

    I also notice in your email reply the following sentence which I find very interesting and will investigate further:

    “It is consumer choice when it comes to accepting updates, if you choose not to update your console then Gamestation cannot be held responsible for loss of functionality.”

    I understand that to mean that if I was to update then Gamestation can be held responsible for loss of functionality.

    In good faith

    Gregory Fenton

    The original message I sent was as follows:

    Sent: 09/04/2010
    To: info@gamestation.co.uk
    Subject: Product Enquiry

    A website user has submitted the following query:

    Name: Gregory Email Address: [redacted] Phone: Preferred contact method: Email

    User Query: I purchased a playstation 3 60GB console from one of your retail stores.

    The purchase was made specifically because of the ‘OtherOS’ feature which was a selling point of the PS3 60GB over the newer slimline models.

    I actually purchased from the store a 250GB slimline PS3 but returned it the next day when I discovered that OtherOS was not part of the slimline range, and was sold the PS3 60GB on the basis that it had the OtherOS feature.

    Sony recently updated the firmware code and disabled the OtherOS functionality thus breaking EU law Directive 1999/44/EC and making your company liable under this paragraph:
    “The goods must:
    comply with the description given by the seller and posses the same qualities and characteristics as other similar goods
    be fit for the purpose which the consumer requires them and which was made known to the seller at the time of purchase.”

    I note that Amazon UK is already offering refunds without return of the item of approximately 20% the sale value of the console even though said consoles are no longer covered by their warranty due to age.

    I ask you to consider your duty in law and offer me the same percentage refund on my purchase.

    Relevant links:
    directive 1999/44/ec

    http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/consumers/protection_of_consumers/l32022_en.htm

    Amazon refunds customer for OtherOS removal

    http://www.playstationuniversity.com/ps3-owner-refunded-without-return-for-missing-other-os-3555/



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